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Title: Tekken tag 2 better than troll fighter 4
Post by: sexyfella on July 24, 2012, 07:09:39 PM
hey everyone as everyone probably knows tekken tag tournament 2 is coming out in a few months, i personally am very excited about this game as i am sick of troll fighter 4 with its shitty balance it could have been a great game but ono the troll ruined it by mixing street fighter 2 and 3 as well as throwing a bit of ex3 in it.

I am getting of topic here anyway is anyone else excited about this game i hope the community for tekken in this country is as big as street fighter which to be honest isnt that big. however the game will be far superior than street fighter 4 gameplay and online play wise just my opinion though.
Title: Re: Tekken tag 2 better than troll fighter 4
Post by: sojiokitaau on July 24, 2012, 07:27:23 PM
I just can't get into 3d fighters. Tried playing VF5 and I was so confused, may as well have been playing an RTS for all I knew.
Title: Re: Tekken tag 2 better than troll fighter 4
Post by: MadeManG74 on July 24, 2012, 08:39:42 PM
I've never played Tekken before (apart from like 5 minutes of Tekken 2 or something about 10,000 years ago), but i'm interested in at least trying this one out. Always been a VF fan, but I'm keen to see what that 'other game' is like.
Title: Re: Tekken tag 2 better than troll fighter 4
Post by: sexyfella on July 25, 2012, 12:42:01 AM
Yeah it is going to be hard to adjust to a 3d fighter though as ive been playing sf for quite a while however i have a feeling that tekken tag 2 will turn out to be a very good game as Harada the producer is getting everything right especially the part about no dlc characters and the game will come out with tons of stuff i just hope that people will play online or i will have to go back to sf4 which i really dont want to lol but i like fighters so i wont have a choice
Title: Re: Tekken tag 2 better than troll fighter 4
Post by: sojiokitaau on July 25, 2012, 12:48:03 AM
I'm just worried it has too many characters. Doesn't Tekken already require you to know frame data for like every character to be competitive? Not necessary in SF. Don't care about DLC, I understand it's the new business model and Namco will go down the same route as EA, Capcom, etc sooner or later.
Title: Re: Tekken tag 2 better than troll fighter 4
Post by: Kyle (The Guile) on July 26, 2012, 03:01:37 AM
Street Fighter 4, especially the current iteration, has excellent balance, I have no idea what you're talking about. The primary complaint about the game in terms of balance is that if you want to play seriously, you probably need to have 2 characters you can play at a good level, because of the amount of matchups in the game.

Also Ono is a series producer. He is responsible for very little of what actually goes into the meat and potatoes of any game he works on, so complaints about gameplay and balance have nothing to do with him. If anything, you should be thanking him for starting the fighters resurgence with 4.

Tag 2 looks sick though. Won't play it because P4 is dropping soon.
Title: Re: Tekken tag 2 better than troll fighter 4
Post by: sexyfella on July 26, 2012, 02:40:49 PM
Son you sound as if you are an employee of capcom i presume you havent played other street fighter games prior to street fighter 4 or you wouldnt be praising sf4 as much as you are doing now. Ono may have jump started the fighting scene however tekken was still doing very well in its own right and the reason people loved sf4 was that it was a new street fighter game after 10 years i reckon any garbage fighting game would have been as popular just  with the title street fighter in it.  But i dont care anymore about sf4 i just am playing it until tekken comes out
Title: Re: Tekken tag 2 better than troll fighter 4
Post by: Glassy123 on July 26, 2012, 02:48:03 PM
Im looking forward to the net code more than anything, I heard it was based off the SC5 netcode which was excellent
Title: Re: Tekken tag 2 better than troll fighter 4
Post by: sojiokitaau on July 26, 2012, 02:53:31 PM
I heard SC5 netcode is actually nothing special, just that the game itself had the most lenient input requirements of any fighting this generation.
Title: Re: Tekken tag 2 better than troll fighter 4
Post by: Kyle (The Guile) on July 26, 2012, 03:35:31 PM
Son you sound as if you are an employee of capcom i presume you havent played other street fighter games prior to street fighter 4 or you wouldnt be praising sf4 as much as you are doing now. Ono may have jump started the fighting scene however tekken was still doing very well in its own right and the reason people loved sf4 was that it was a new street fighter game after 10 years i reckon any garbage fighting game would have been as popular just  with the title street fighter in it.  But i dont care anymore about sf4 i just am playing it until tekken comes out

I think you have no idea what you're talking about :-/
Title: Re: Tekken tag 2 better than troll fighter 4
Post by: Geese on July 27, 2012, 01:33:03 PM
I know he's got no idea.
Title: Re: Tekken tag 2 better than troll fighter 4
Post by: sexyfella on July 28, 2012, 04:07:54 PM
so kyle are you saying that your opinion is right and mine isnt if thats the case then why bother replying to my post.  now im pretty sure you never played cvs 1 and 2 or third strike which were superior games than sf4 however they had a steep learning curve for the general gamer lol im pointing at you kyle ! go play your beloved sf4 and dont bother replying
Title: Re: Tekken tag 2 better than troll fighter 4
Post by: Kyle (The Guile) on July 28, 2012, 09:09:30 PM
You are a very strange person.
Title: Re: Tekken tag 2 better than troll fighter 4
Post by: MadeManG74 on July 29, 2012, 05:08:58 AM
But don't forget there are many like him all over the world.
Title: Re: Tekken tag 2 better than troll fighter 4
Post by: FinalBlast on July 29, 2012, 10:47:58 AM
SSF4 AE 2012 is balance. Some people probably think it is not balance because some characters have different features and strengths than each other e.g. dive kick, mix ups, uppercuts but that doesn't mean you can't win. If you have a strategy to beat the character you versing you can win. In fighting games you can't really go into a match and just start doing random things hoping they work, it wont work because strategy and match up experience from the player always wins.

Like people say practice makes perfect so spending time in training mode practicing your links and learning some new "technology"of your character really pays off.

Overall fighting games are games that will always try to make yourself improve even if you think your good enough and at the same time know how to play the game. If your a type of person who doesn't have the patients to improve yourself than I can honestly say fighting games is not for you.

anyway if your a casual player  then you shouldn't really care if the game is balance or not because the main reason why your playing this game is to have fun.  If your a tournament player then that's another story
Title: Re: Tekken tag 2 better than troll fighter 4
Post by: sojiokitaau on July 29, 2012, 01:32:08 PM
SF4 is balanced compared to other fighting games, but fighting games in general don't a have great track record in this dept. do they?
Title: Re: Tekken tag 2 better than troll fighter 4
Post by: 17yearoldwarrior. on July 29, 2012, 02:32:40 PM
it can be argued that super turbo is balanced in a way(dont get me wrong, some characters are 'better' than others).
Title: Re: Tekken tag 2 better than troll fighter 4
Post by: Kyle (The Guile) on July 29, 2012, 02:53:19 PM
Balance in fighting games is weird anyway. "Balance" in a traditional PC gaming sense means every characters (or race) is viable.

But in fighting games, I would honestly argue that games like MvC2 are balanced, not because every character is viable (they're not), but because there is not one dominant strategy that is uncounterable. Kinda hard to explain, but the game can have Magneto/Storm/Psylock vs Cable/Sentinel/Commando...it's an interesting thing to think about.

I really don't think "balanced" should just mean "every character is viable." I think we need a better word...something that means "is suited for competitive play." Because 3S is suited for competitive play, but that game doesn't have traditional "balance."

Help me out here guys :-/ 
Title: Re: Tekken tag 2 better than troll fighter 4
Post by: sojiokitaau on July 29, 2012, 03:05:23 PM
Balance in fighting games is weird anyway. "Balance" in a traditional PC gaming sense means every characters (or race) is viable.

But in fighting games, I would honestly argue that games like MvC2 are balanced, not because every character is viable (they're not), but because there is not one dominant strategy that is uncounterable. Kinda hard to explain, but the game can have Magneto/Storm/Psylock vs Cable/Sentinel/Commando...it's an interesting thing to think about.

I really don't think "balanced" should just mean "every character is viable." I think we need a better word...something that means "is suited for competitive play." Because 3S is suited for competitive play, but that game doesn't have traditional "balance."

Help me out here guys :-/

The word you're looking for is maybe broken. Yes, 3s and MvC2 aren't completely broken. There isn't 1 character/team that automatically wins all the time, but they are very poorly balanced compared even to SF4 and MVC3.
Title: Re: Tekken tag 2 better than troll fighter 4
Post by: Kyle (The Guile) on July 29, 2012, 03:12:06 PM
But MvC2 is broken, that's why its fun  ;D
Title: Re: Tekken tag 2 better than troll fighter 4
Post by: 17yearoldwarrior. on July 29, 2012, 04:22:32 PM
whats mvc2? oh you mean x-men vs captain commando?
nah seriously, there are some good examples on YouTube where a low tier team beats a high tier team.
it depends on the strategy, play style aswell.
I also agree mvc2 is balanced, 'broken' as there is alot of hard shit to get around but they usually all can be countered.
Title: Re: Tekken tag 2 better than troll fighter 4
Post by: MadeManG74 on July 29, 2012, 06:02:16 PM
I don't play SF4, but I understand that to be competitive in that game, it's really beneficial to know at least two characters well. One character for your main, and then one character that counter-picks your counter-picks. I actually think that's kind of cool.
Title: Re: Tekken tag 2 better than troll fighter 4
Post by: Kyle (The Guile) on July 29, 2012, 10:47:25 PM
whats mvc2? oh you mean x-men vs captain commando?
nah seriously, there are some good examples on YouTube where a low tier team beats a high tier team.
it depends on the strategy, play style aswell.
I also agree mvc2 is balanced, 'broken' as there is alot of hard shit to get around but they usually all can be countered.

X-men + Dr Doom vs Commando, Tron and Strider! <3
Title: Re: Tekken tag 2 better than troll fighter 4
Post by: Trejo on July 30, 2012, 11:50:22 AM
I hope some of you guys to pick up TTT2, or at least give it a try. One of the reasons I think most people are put of on trying Tekken is the step learning curve to get to a decent level. I personally think its easier to get at a decent level at SF than it is to with Tekken. Yes frame knowledge is a bit more important in Tekken but it's not like the concept is non existent in SF.

A bunch of the tekken guys can play somewhat competitively on SF, but I hardly ever see the Sf guys give Tekken a try.
Title: Re: Tekken tag 2 better than troll fighter 4
Post by: kingtua on August 19, 2012, 07:31:25 AM
Idk if this game is comming to Xbox but if it does I'll def get it.
Ppl saying ssfae is balanced are ppl that play easy to use characters.

Dudley and ONI is still ass.

I'm over that trash of a game, ppl these days play so defensive, as I always
Felt sf4 is always a one Sided game.

Say for eg. You have sagat vs Honda, guile vs gief.
In other cases shoto vs shoto. Players will throw fireballs
And not one will give in then when  a player gets in then the one sided game
Begins, defensive vs offence its a lame game. One player always
Have to work harder than the other.

Sf4 is heavily based on matchup.
Eg. Better character, better chances of winning.

I started playing sfxt and miss playing tekken.
I should of took the step back and played the real fighting game>> tekken
Title: Re: Tekken tag 2 better than troll fighter 4
Post by: FinalBlast on August 19, 2012, 10:17:47 AM
Idk if this game is comming to Xbox but if it does I'll def get it.
Ppl saying ssfae is balanced are ppl that play easy to use characters.

Dudley and ONI is still ass.

I'm over that trash of a game, ppl these days play so defensive, as I always
Felt sf4 is always a one Sided game.

Say for eg. You have sagat vs Honda, guile vs gief.
In other cases shoto vs shoto. Players will throw fireballs
And not one will give in then when  a player gets in then the one sided game
Begins, defensive vs offence its a lame game. One player always
Have to work harder than the other.

Sf4 is heavily based on matchup.
Eg. Better character, better chances of winning.

I started playing sfxt and miss playing tekken.
I should of took the step back and played the real fighting game>> tekken

People play defensive at first then offence coz they are either feeling the player out which is something you see in tournaments. Another reason especially in shoto vs shoto match up is you dont know what the player is going to do straight away after it says "Fight" so basically it's safe to take a step back instead of throwing out a fireball straight away coz you might get punish for it. Another reason people play defensive is coz of the character they are using or in certain match ups. take Guile for example, he is most recognizable as a defensive character than controls the spacing of the match by using his normal moves to poke people away.

Playing Street Fighter there is something that everyone needs to know and that is just because you play the game alot, it doesn't mean you are better than that person. Why? Playing Street Fighter or any fighting games you need strategy and match up experience on characters to beat the player. You are versing a human who is smarter than a CPU so think about that

If you want to be the best learn to LOSE and I mean LOSE alot. Alot of top players have lost alot of times but now they are recognize as top players. Why? Because they learn from their mistakes. It is something people need to understand in playing fighting game and EVEN OUT THERE IN THE REAL WORLD WHEN SOCIALIZING WITH PEOPLE.

I honestly feel if the player doesn't accept his or her losses they will never improve

EDIT: I think what I wrote down is a bit of a Deja vu lol
Title: Re: Tekken tag 2 better than troll fighter 4
Post by: kingtua on August 19, 2012, 02:43:29 PM
I dropped tekken for sf4 and never went back

I've played sf4 since release, I understand what your saying  mate.
But really the game is still a one sided fight and the top tiers really stand out.

What I'm saying is, sf4 is ass to me now, Im trying other fighters.
and considering going back to tekken.



Title: Re: Tekken tag 2 better than troll fighter 4
Post by: FinalBlast on August 19, 2012, 05:31:17 PM


But really the game is still a one sided fight and the top tiers really stand out.


IMO fighting games will ALWAYS have the best characters no matter how many nerfs or buffs characters get. I can guarantee you that you might feel the same way in TTT2 like you are in Street Fighter.

Don't say that I didn't tell you so  :P
Title: Re: Tekken tag 2 better than troll fighter 4
Post by: sexyfella on September 06, 2012, 01:17:41 PM
Kingtua mate i feel ya i knew i wasnt the only bloke in this country that got sick of ssf4 hahah
Title: Re: Tekken tag 2 better than troll fighter 4
Post by: sojiokitaau on September 06, 2012, 02:43:15 PM
Can I just say this game looks stunning.

I mean, absolutely beautiful.

In that way it's much better than SF4.

I hope a PC version is released which isn't hindered by the anqituated technology in consoles now.
Title: Re: Tekken tag 2 better than troll fighter 4
Post by: GirlsDigMyScore on September 07, 2012, 07:15:43 PM
I didn't play MvC2 competitively but I always felt the best team was Cable + BB hood + Dr. Doom and SPAM... I beat some good players like that.  :P

I think SF4 should die and they need to make a new game... STREET FIGHTER X MORTAL KOMBAT X TEKKEN X MARVEL X SNK X CLAY FIGHTER X KILLER INSTINCT... and it BETTER BE BALANCED!