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Hardware, Tech and Setups => Tech Talk => Topic started by: missingo on May 28, 2013, 09:47:32 AM

Title: TV setup for a store
Post by: missingo on May 28, 2013, 09:47:32 AM
Howdy all

I have been asked by a friend to help locate some kit to help setup his Good Games store in the Sydney CBD. He wishes to add some Xbox's to one of his walls to allow play Street Fighter/Tekken/other competitive games.

I am trying to work out where in Sydney is a good place to source wired/wireless Arcade/tank stick controllers that are sturdy but will not brake the bank (purchasing 8 of them). The other question i have is to deal with having 4 xbox's next to each other is it preferred to have headphones or are most players fine with just having other games playing next to them?

Thanks for any advice you can give :)
Title: Re: TV setup for a store
Post by: Madenka AU on May 28, 2013, 11:51:47 AM
Is this a request from Alan the store owner?
Title: Re: TV setup for a store
Post by: AtomicX on May 28, 2013, 11:58:11 AM
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wired/wireless Arcade/tank stick controllers

If you're serious wired only sticks with sanwa parts I.E. Madcatz Tournament Edition sticks or the Qanba Q4 series is the current standard, no less will do.

(Example: https://www.gamesmen.com.au/catalog/cont-xb3-mcatz-tournament-arcade-stick-2-p-25382.html (https://www.gamesmen.com.au/catalog/cont-xb3-mcatz-tournament-arcade-stick-2-p-25382.html))

Fighting gamers are used to bringing their own sticks though so perhaps you can have an option of allowing BYO controller.

There's no current home for offline console sessions in Sydney city so I'm sure you'll get ALLOT of interest and support from local players. Particularly for games where online is rubbish (King of Fighters, Marvel 3).

Title: Re: TV setup for a store
Post by: stekoh on May 28, 2013, 01:56:35 PM
mad catz TE, nothing less. cheap part replacement too
Title: Re: TV setup for a store
Post by: missingo on May 28, 2013, 02:32:26 PM
quiet a price for those mad catz, is there any cheaper sources for those around?

AtomicX - This is what the owner is hoping. having somewhere that he can get some open/competition based play happening.
Title: Re: TV setup for a store
Post by: AtomicX on May 28, 2013, 04:18:49 PM
Also FYI make sure the monitors you use are lagless as possible. If you want to attract the series fighting game heads all the equipment has to be top notch. (Yes we are a very picky bunch!)

Luckley lower lag monitors are on the cheaper end of the scale. An example is the BenQ series, this is the current on the market BenQ:
http://www.jbhifionline.com.au/computers-laptops/monitors/benq-rl2450h-24-led-gaming-monitor/680505 (http://www.jbhifionline.com.au/computers-laptops/monitors/benq-rl2450h-24-led-gaming-monitor/680505)

A list of other monitors can be found at:
http://forums.shoryuken.com/discussion/145141/sub-1-frame-hdtvmonitor-input-lag-database (http://forums.shoryuken.com/discussion/145141/sub-1-frame-hdtvmonitor-input-lag-database)

Yes sticks are on the more expensive side that's why tournaments typically request players to bring their own. A short term solution could be to have the store use standard controllers and allow players to bring their own stick. In the meantime try ebay? :)
Title: Re: TV setup for a store
Post by: MadeManG74 on May 28, 2013, 04:31:31 PM

I am trying to work out where in Sydney is a good place to source wired/wireless Arcade/tank stick controllers

Tank you say?
http://www.hes.net/newsite/resultssearch.php?search=tank&submit.x=0&submit.y=0

Bit pricey, but they might discount for a bulk purchase. They also sell a bunch of other sticks, Hori ones are only $98 for example.
Title: Re: TV setup for a store
Post by: Madenka AU on May 28, 2013, 04:34:12 PM
The only other option is second hand. Here in Australia sticks still fetch a premium but you might be able to get a deal with another provider/person if you're doing bulk. I was selling 2 stick a few months back, I should have kept them had I know about this :P
Title: Re: TV setup for a store
Post by: fkuspencer on May 28, 2013, 04:39:08 PM
Straight off my head, Qanba Q4s are cheaper than getting TEs unless there is a TE sale around that I'm not aware of.
I wonder if that ctn (http://forum.ozhadou.net/index.php?topic=6778.0) guy is still selling Qanba sticks (for $160-170) now or could possibly arrange something...
Title: Re: TV setup for a store
Post by: MadeManG74 on May 28, 2013, 04:55:40 PM
How many are you looking to buy? If it's a relatively bulk purchase I would approach HES and ask about a discount for X amount of sticks, they might be willing if it's worth their while.
Title: Re: TV setup for a store
Post by: missingo on May 28, 2013, 04:56:58 PM
AtomicX - we are looking at 4x 50" panels that are 8ms (which i know from PC side is pretty decent for gaming) but i am unsure on how picky your players may be.

I think we may go controllers to start and charge a slightly higher entry/rental fee to borrow a arcade stick (considering there cost)

MadeManG74 - I have used one of those before and they were not bad...Are they used in competitive play much? We would go anywhere from 2-8 depending how much we can get them for.
Title: Re: TV setup for a store
Post by: Madenka AU on May 28, 2013, 05:04:10 PM
option to byo stick? I should drop by GGs and have a chat I reckon, didn't know that they wanted to expand this way after Central ended the relationship.
Title: Re: TV setup for a store
Post by: MadeManG74 on May 28, 2013, 07:38:07 PM
MadeManG74 - I have used one of those before and they were not bad...Are they used in competitive play much? We would go anywhere from 2-8 depending how much we can get them for.
I haven't actually used one, but I've spoken to the guy from HES and they use Sanwa parts apparantly. HES is the distributor for MadCatz and Hori in Aus so they've got more well-known sticks as well as their 'Tank' ones though.
Title: Re: TV setup for a store
Post by: Ziggy on May 28, 2013, 08:32:18 PM
If you want to attract the "hardcore" players then I'd recommend the following:
Some of this stuff can be expensive so I'd recommend crunching the numbers first. Don't cut corners though. You won't achieve a return that assumes hardcore support using cheap/bad setups.

If you just want casual players/button mashers then ignore the above and do whatever you like. :)
Title: Re: TV setup for a store
Post by: fkuspencer on May 28, 2013, 09:25:43 PM
Quote from: Ziggy
Provide Madcatz TEs or rely on BYO. Nobody will touch anything else.

I feel this is a tad extreme. I firmly believe a stick with Sanwa parts should be fine. I'm currently unaware of any TE stick sales but I've known for a while that Hori sticks have been going cheaper lately than TEs on Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_nr_seeall_1?rh=k%3Ahori+vx+kai%2Ci%3Avideogames&keywords=hori+vx+kai&ie=UTF8&qid=1369738910).

The difference between the VX SA KAI and the VX SA is a nicer finish on the panel based from my experience. :)
Title: Re: TV setup for a store
Post by: AtomicX on May 28, 2013, 11:35:52 PM
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think we may go controllers to start and charge a slightly higher entry/rental fee to borrow a arcade stick (considering there cost)

BYO has to be an option to attract the hard core but remember not everyone will be able to bring their own controller as some people have a different console at home, or no console, or they just forget so that's where you'll make some return with the extra fee for rent a stick. I heard the Next Level store in New York (from Team Sp00ky fame) lets players BYO stick BUT they also have rental sticks for players who don't have one.

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we are looking at 4x 50" panels that are 8ms (which i know from PC side is pretty decent for gaming) but i am unsure on how picky your players may be.

As Ziggy said refer to community for brand selection. For fighting games the monitor size is the least important with 24" being the most common size in fighting game tournaments. The "ms" response time listed on monitors has no relevance on input lag whatsoever. Input lag is actually never listed on monitor specs, you can only find out from online reviews or documentation like that site I linked you.

Sounds like you guys are serious so you definitely need to listen to the community. The casual crowd might not care about equipment but I guarantee they also won't stick around very long. Fighting game players can be picky about controllers or monitors but we are also a very loyal and dedicated community. And a community that continues to grow due to the exposure of streams, the emergence of fighting games on PC, and newer fighting games with poor online options. There hasn't been a dedicated home for fighting gamers since the removal of consoles and arcade cabinets from Good Games central (which was ran by the community) so there is a definite hunger for an offline space. I'm sure if you guys take the community's needs on board you'll be rewarded back in spades.
Title: Re: TV setup for a store
Post by: jaytee on May 29, 2013, 09:50:29 AM
Hey guys I'm working with missingo on this. Thanks for all the epic feedback

We are looking at being pretty serious, yeah - we'll try to get more details on the monitors being used - but as per usual, they're at the discretion of the store owner. He'll take our feedback on board though.

Regarding the arcade sticks - I've done some googling and found it pretty hard to find TEs, but we're looking at these:

http://www.play-asia.com/Street_Fighter_X_Tekken_Arcade_FightStick_Pro_Line/paOS-13-71-dd-49-en-70-4ji6.html (uses Sanwa parts)

http://www.play-asia.com/Qanba_Real_Arcade_Fightingstick_Q4_3in1/paOS-13-71-1i-49-en-70-482w.html (seen other people recommend these before)

Would something like the Qanba be an acceptable minimum for the community to hire out?
Title: Re: TV setup for a store
Post by: AtomicX on May 29, 2013, 10:33:15 AM
Both those sticks are good. The SFxT stick is the same as a TE.
Title: Re: TV setup for a store
Post by: MadeManG74 on May 29, 2013, 02:42:12 PM
I don't have one but Qanba sticks are really good, I know a lot of people prefer them to the TE.
Title: Re: TV setup for a store
Post by: maxsze90 on May 29, 2013, 02:51:31 PM
The SFxT is a really nice stick, the quality is as good as you can hope for in a Tournament Edition stick. It's slightly lighter which may be less desirable in a static setup.

They are priced at $100 on Amazon, including delivery it's around $120 to your door. Really fast too. Might want to work out bulk shipping or something. Don't think you can beat that. Quality is comparable to a $200 TE stick.

I know the Qanba Q4 is pretty good too, but I enjoy the MCZ stick more, just from the positioning of the start button and being a fair bit more compact. Off the top of my head, the stoppers (rubber guards along the base) aren't as good though but it's nothing you can't fix. I put the stick on a small stool though, so it's probably just me, if you get those grip sheets there's no way the sticks will budge whilst mashing your heart out.

Depends really on how you propose to hire out your equipment/space, offering cheaper alternatives didn't hurt anybody and heck, I'd save a buck or two, because the 'standard' sticks are pretty darn close in replicating the better sticks (also I enjoy the 'dodgey' feel sometimes, in the way it makes you exaggerate your execution motions).

I've looked around for a decent stick when I started going to tournaments and the SFxT fightstick really can't be beat (parts/build quality), anyone that says the stick is inferior to another stick is just being silly, there is nothing you can't do on this stick that you can do on another. Here's the link if you're interested:

http://www.amazon.com/Mad-Catz-Street-Fighter-Tekken-FightStick/dp/B0072A4KU2 (http://www.amazon.com/Mad-Catz-Street-Fighter-Tekken-FightStick/dp/B0072A4KU2)

I'm also certain that the Qanba Q4 will fit the bill as well. If you want to spread setups to a PS3 as well, it may be something else you may want to consider. Quality of the Q4 is equal to any of the TE's, so no worries there. I do like the look of the Qanba stick though, it's highly professional in that regard.